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Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. His father says, I kissed him and held him. I extend my deepest thanks and greatest respect to MP Scott Andrews, his associate Ken Carter, Senator Tommy Banks, his executive assistantThrse Gauthier, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Anne Cools, Gord McIntosh and everyone in Parliament who saw across party lines to support this bill's passage into law. Do you understand? Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. Both screenings received sustained standing ovations, and the Toronto audience applauded yet again when director Kurt Kuenne announced that he had sent letters to every member of Parliament requesting the opportunity to screen the film for them. Memorial University Medical School. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Even during his stilted summaries of events, you can sometimes hear Kuenne choking up. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Oh, my God. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. decision. They're like, `What do you mean?' The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. Because this is foreshadowing. -, "**** (Four stars). KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. MORRISON: What do you do about this? I mean, she. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. ), DEAR ZACHARY 10TH ANNIVERSARY HD REMASTERED EDITIONNOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY, DVD, and DIGITAL, For the film's 10th anniversary, Kurt Kuenne remastered "Dear Zachary", its epilogue, and its bonus features for HD, converting the original standard definition elements to HD shot-by-shot, while remixing the film in 5.1 surround, so that it now looks and sounds as originally intended on today's platforms. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. And tears are dropping on him, of course, and Kate went to wipe one of those away off his cheek, and a plug came out, where hed been shot in the left cheek. This was the situation with Andrews son Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. While that change felt good, David wanted more. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. I was just gone. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. Awaiting extradition, Turner drowned 13-month-old Zachary and took her own life as well. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. IMDbPro Starmeter. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." The album includes "Andrew", the 8 minute concert work Kurt wrote and recorded in Andrew's memory in 2002. Click HERE for assistance. Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbysthe story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. the water. 2015 - 20153 . MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. All rights reserved. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. The night was. Did anyone have more friends than he? COLLECTOR'S EDITION DIGIPAK only from Oscilloscope Laboratories: One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. Specific in nature? "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Please consider joining us in this mission by becoming a member of the SaltWire Network and helping to make our communities better. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. They told us that they'd found the body. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. Meeting her at 6. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. Its been more than 10 years since the Bagbys have been back to Newfoundland and Labrador. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." Then, suddenly, tears. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Ensure local journalism stays in your community by purchasing a membership today. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). KATE: (Audio recording) Right. In New York - August 8-14 at the IFC Center, 323 Sixth Avenue at W. 3rd Street. Why would she say that if he wasn't? In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. But their efforts to. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. The bill, if passed into law later this year, would justify detention in custody for those accused of a serious crime who are a potential danger to their own children under the age of 18. Except this story is worse. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. get in there, if that's what she demanded. Lori Kaufman rw. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. He was the whole world to them. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. Mommy loves you. granddad? I got to go to the trial. I can understand that. January 15, 2008: The full hour will not be available online. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. She has to veer away from the image and instead see him as a living being. He said, `What can happen?'. There were moments when something happened that had my heart beating so fast I became lightheaded and had to refocus myself. We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. His father says, "I kissed him and held . DVD: Amazon | B&N Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! KATE: I had a great childhood. He had been shot five times and the No. The memory of that visit is of a crying Zachary being taken away from them. They are selfless. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. kind of panic sets in, I guess. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. quiet. You dont leave it behind. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. Then, in August 2003, Shirley killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Blood red screen. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. Bagby, that man about whom no one had a bad word, was left lying face down in a Pennsylvania state park with five bullets in him. And we came back. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. It will make you question your faith in the world. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. December 4, 2008: -, "You don't just view what's happening on the screen -- you live it through every gasp and every tear, and every bit of exasperated anger(resulting) in one powerful standing ovation, the likes of which I have never seen at Hot Docs beforeDear Zachary will move you. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. Interviews with Bagbys friends and family take the place of the usual lineup of witnessesas much attention is given to the fact that he always wore shorts as to the number of times he was shotand their pain functions as evidence as the film builds a case against the Canadian bail and extradition protocols. She was coming here to take care of me. He said, `What can happen?'. It then played SXSW in Austin, Texas, where it left audiences stunned and in tears. The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. "We had to do something.. Click here for ticket information! Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. By refusing to become the thing they hate, they provide a profound lesson on the power of love and the courage to survive the unthinkable." David and Kate Bagby channeled their grief & anguish into changing some Canadian laws. I had a job I loved. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Every last person who steps foot into a theater to see this will walk away changed. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. If nothing else is accomplished with this film, it will absolutely attach you to the too-short life that was Andrew Bagby's, and you're going to be sad that you didn't get a chance to know him -- but glad all the same that you know ABOUT him now." We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again, said David. Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire I didn't have. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. then one day I realized what it was. You dont get over it. Zachary didn't seem like. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. What a flaky person. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. Dear Zachary was the most honored film at Cinequest 18 in San Jose, receiving sustained standing ovations from packed houses at all 3 screenings and winning 2 awards - a Special Jury Award for Documentary Feature and the Audience Award. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. In the end, she died, but love did not. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. August 5, 2008: MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. -, "Demonstrates independent film at its finest." He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind.