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Sam Evans Brown. John is calling from Bennington. New Hampshire Public Radio | support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. That's next time on one day. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". These were normal everyday folks. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. Mountain Lions in NH. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. But you've done some reporting on this. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. So it's there was no question in my mind. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Yes. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Peter Biello: Hmm. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Caller: Hi. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. So they're scary. Thanks for a great thanks. 1957. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Peter Biello: Wow. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. They are the same thing. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. Sam. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Part II. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. It's good to talk to you. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. So now what's going on. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. And it's not really strong. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. It's you know I recognized their report and. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Peter Biello: Yeah. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Thanks for your call. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. I mean it wasn't your idea. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. So. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there.