Fordyce Beals. My 1858 is an Uberti model previously owned by a North-South Skirmish Association member. Black Powder Revolver Manual. I have three Sheriffs Models, and consider them SO GOOD, I carry one every day for Self-Defense! A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. BORE IS NEAR MINT WITH EXCELLENT RIFLING. He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. The .44 ball over 35 grains is enough to kill a horse. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. The conversion cylinder is indeed just a part, and can be bought anywhere any time any place. This is what the reg provides: The term antique firearm means any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system)manufactured in or before 1898. BORE IS GOOD 44 Caliber; 80% blue, good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. A quick look netted this info from a CAS City post: ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. The guns worked flawlessly in stock form when I sold them. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of Not that theres anything wrong with that. For effective ignition, a ball has to fit tightly in the cylinder, and consequently a bit is shaved off when loading. 21478. I ended up giving it to an NRA black powder teacher to use for show and tell, (to show his class how to ruin a beautiful piece by not properly cleaning before long term storage). WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 ROFL, So nice to read about black powder stuff here. A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. I lowered my ball size from .454 to 451 (pietta) and dropped my charge from 30 to 20 grains. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. It is the reciever/frame of any gun that is the controlled part, basically the receiver or frame IS the gun, legally. He has a bee in his bonnet, that he is the ONLY person in the world who knows how to correctly clean black Powder revolvers. Of course it is one of the old ones which may be the reason. WebBuy a Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Replica Italian made .44 Remington 1858 Replica by manufacturer Armi San Marco. I saw it sitting used at a local gunshop a few years ago for $250 bucks. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of THE FRAME RETAINS 97% OF ITS CASE COLORS. I take all three to the range regularly in the appropriate recreation leather. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . Or something like that. Also, I would personally spend a small amount more and buy a steel frame pistol instead of a brass frame. 1860 Henry Manual. WOW , thanks for the history , I do see parts ,lighter springs even cylinders for these guns BUT not with the ASM manufacture ,parts are crossed to gun type like "1851 navy" ,would one say theres a strong chance they would work in ASM brand "1851 navy" ? Ihave been thinking about getting one of these for a while, I have a question. If youve ever thought about getting into cap-and-ball pistols, and want an easy-to-use handgun thats also rugged and dependable, check out an 1858 Remington. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored I have a pair of ASM-made and marked, EMF Hartford Colt reproduction revolvers in .45 Colt, 5 1/2" barrels. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. Definitely a 50-yard whitetail gun. Fine review with everything that makes a gun review great: guns, history and guns. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. I often find them employed at LGS and they are a good resource. Water is definitely the very best way to get rid of Black Powder fouling. Colt .44 with 30 grain. If a conversion cylinder (to shoot black powder cowboy loads) Someone asked why they are called .44s if they take a .452 or .454 ball. Easier to load and clean. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST Today, we know Old Number 21478 as the Remington 1858 . They refused to talk with the others. Gauge: 44 percussion. DO use a stout load. After just 2 shots it seizes up and wont cock. 1885 Low Wall Manual. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). Im 66 years old and I have been wanting to get a 1858black powder for a while now but because I live in Illinois I cant get no one to order me one . Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers. My first BP was a 1861 Colt Navy in .36. Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! If yoiui can keep all six shots in a four inch circle, at whatever range you think you are likely to see a deer, then take your Remington Percussion Revolver hunting. EMF had ASM building them before they switched to Uberti. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. PS: if you want to do more target shooting, but find yourself having to sell your wife, EAA (European/American Arms (Germany) makes some beautiful peacemakers replicas in everything from 44 mag to 22 LR (the latter comes with a second cylinder for the robust little 22 magnum). Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 Bore and chambers in very good+ 36 Caliber; 97% blue, very good+ bore, very good+ grips, 6.58'' barrel, Pietta Remington 1858 revolver, 6 shot, 36. caliber with very good bore and chambers, slight surface corrosion in the chambers. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. He sent it back twice because of some minor issues, but its a nice gun for ~$200. To avoid the dreaded chain fire, find caps that fit tightly on your nipples. For an 1858, the standard Remington caps will work brilliantly. The type of man who could sell Deep Freezers and electric Fans to Eskimos! That is true. I send one of their revolvers back after opening it. The strong top-strap design, the ease of swapping cylinders and the safety notches are all reasons why so many modern cap-and-ball shooters still turn to Fordyce Beals design. I remember that ASM was sold to American Western Arms who only produces cartridge revolvers. Gauge: 44 percussion. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion Stainless steel. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. Same thing with the barrels. I shoot both of them and they are a hoot. You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. Ive been thinking of getting one since I recently watched Pale Rider. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. The instruction manual back then did not give any information on proper cleaning. I have a pieta with aftermarket Tresso nipples that do not fit the standard Remington capstoo loose, but fit Dynamil Nobel caps perfectly. Type: Revolver. After that, the law is quite simple, though apparently foolish. Not only is that the right way to hunt, deer that go down fast and clean taste better. Java, from Plymouth MA. Be like suing Ruger if they called one of their 1911 models "Old Slabsides", or Uberti over their new 1873 "Thumbuster". Often the outside contour dimensions will differ at the bottom of the barrel lug at the frame, but that's not a critical thing. 1860 Henry Manual. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS FRECKLING ALONG WITH LIGHT MUZZLE WEAR. Ive got an Uberti rep with the brass frame, so loading above 25g of triple eff aint recommended. I used to also have an 1858 Remington clone by ASM. Lock functions well, trigger 44 Caliber; 96% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Pietta 1851 Navy .44 caliber black powder 6 shot revolver. .44 Cal percussion. well, few years ago I visited a gun shop in Brescia "Palmetto" and I was looking for the double gun they were selling (Chaparral Sidebyside) . Cleaned properly, and loaded properly, a Remington Style Percussion Revolver, can be as reliable as a modern Cartridge gun. The other was a blued adjustable-sight Old Army that was just sheer round-ball hilarious to shoot. It is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and great fun to shoot. I've been told these ASM revolvers' parts interchange with Colt 1st generation. Yup means I cant sell a converted C&B without using an FFL. Oh, and dont use your telephone to order them, either. New in Box-never fired. But on my wish-they-would-make list a 5-shot .50 Old Army designed for sabot bullets and 50-grain Pydrodex pellets. Remington with 40 grains. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. I was told a few years back that the other gun makers in Italy approached them and requested that they work harder on the craftsmanship as they were giving the Italian gun makers a bad name. LIGHT HIGH-EDGE WEAR NEAR MUZZLE. I have a Pietta with after-market Tresso nipples that are just slightly smaller and regular caps fall off, but Dynamil Nobel 1075s fit perfectly. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard I might be wrong about this! Copyright 2019 sassnet.com This version features improved accuracy. Personally, I use wonder wads, commercially available round pieces of felt soaked in oil and wax (or you can make your own), between the ball and the powder. Of course, walking around with fully-loaded and capped extra cylinders on your belt or in your pocket can be a bit dicey. Its parts will interchange with all 3 of my Colt 2nd Gen 1851, except the barrel (the pins at the front of the frame are placed differently). Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. For shooting comfortable loads for target shooting I use 20g black-powder followed with 20g of Cream of Wheat then the ball and finally the lard-beeswax. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why it broke due to stress risers from the poorly finished part). It has a central shotgun barrel (16 gauge? Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated. 1873 Rifle Manual. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. This version features improved accuracy. In a way, you could say it was two guns in one! View more auctions here. THERE ARE NO .45 Colt; 98% blue, very good+ bore, near mint grips, 3'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SHERIFS MODEL IN EXCELLENT USED CONDITION. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. The .44 Remmington is a very strong gun. It was Assistant District Attorney Ben Stone that shot LaHood. My dad of course saw them when they were new. Had a cowboy smith smooth the internals so they dont chew each other up.ook mighty sweet in a pair of El Paso Saddlery crossdraw Slim Jims. Unfortunately, ASM also changed their name to Chaparral about the same time. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & While some parts just dropped right in and worked, the replacement hands needed the most work. The one thing I really like is that the entire process of loading is actually fun, whereas for my M&P45 loading a mag isnt something to get excited about. A pietta .36 target sighted Remington 1858 was a beautiful pistol but I could not get it to shoot accurately. WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. I did not grease the shutgun one time and thought to fire it last. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. The bad guy carries a Peacemaker (a bit earlier than its actual appearance, but what the hell, it aint a documentary) (Said to have claimed his last victem by shooting him twice, skinning him and nailing his hid on the livery stable door! Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. The cylinder! The lesson is that if you shoot a black powder rifle dont think you know how to clean this pistol. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. Just make sure that you compress the powder with the ball when you press it into the cylinder. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. I know we are here because our forefathers were able to bring down food with primitive firearms. CAS, SASS, Cat: Sharpshooter They fit just about any cap and ball firearm. That means that two Colt Peacemakers coming off the line 1 minute apart (11:59PM on Dec 31 1898 and 12:00 AM on Jan 1, 19 99, define the force of the law. It is THE most accurate handgun I've ever fired. If you boil your cylinders in a saucepan, then fish them oout with a slim piece of doweling, by the time they are cool enough to touch with the hand, ALL the water will have evaporated from the heat,and you can start right in re-loading them. Safety pins, safety notches, po-TAY-tow, po-TOT-owe. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. One can shoot all day on a pittance. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52780, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. These two revolvers just feel better ergonomically than either the Uberti .357's or the USFA .38 Special revolvers I have. A home run! WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 Thank God I had my Reminton. I was watching them in the 80s and was able to watch all of the Clint Eastwoood movies multiple times. THE LOCK IS IN THE WHITE. To date I have only had two minor issues with it: - 1) the firing pin retainer had to tapped in a bit as dragged on the frame very mildly, local smith fixed that in 2 seconds. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting Before one can change a cylinder on the Colt Design, the pistol has to be field stripped, and just imagine yourself as a United States Cavalryman, trying to hold his excited horse under control, as he strips the Colt Type revolver down into thee parts, then somehow, (It helps to be ambidextrous & double Jointed!) I also had 2 spare cylinders. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco).
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