3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. I must put it in Jesus Christ. Again its too legalistic. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. 19. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? What an extensive list. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. They are counting on your service and tithe. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. Care to elaborate, provide examples? If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. (2 Cor. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. 36. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. 53. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. G. M. Matheny. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. 5. For example, #54. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. BUT, there is good news! I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. My jabs are defensive in nature. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. Read Matthew 23 for more information. If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. Some true, some not so much. I forgave through the example of Jesus. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. God works in mysterious ways. 17. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. 51. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. Hypocrites! God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. Wow! If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. There isn't much out there on the web. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). Hope you have a great day! 33. It didnt raise red flags for me. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. Hypocrites! Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. Yes. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? 46. Sons of vipers! I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. N/A If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. Its the inspired word of God. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. 5 Everything they do is for show. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. 18. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. 1. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. They all work together. Praise the lord for forgiveness. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). Wow. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). OMG! If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated co The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. hypocrite. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. 2. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. 16 Blind guides! 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. If you want a discussion ask for one. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. THE LAST THINGS If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. Yes, see my answer to your first question. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. 31. 15. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. This is because we live in this flesh. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. Everyone has sent in their life. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. 1. What a stupid thing to say. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Its method of operation is subversive. I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. 8. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. When this life is over, it doesnt matter! JUDAH. Correction is my discernment. Mind your own business. 26 You blind Pharisee! We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. We believe in salvation by grace I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. The New Testament church should be an independent church. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them.
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